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 Posted 25.01.2004 21:15:27 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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as salam 'alaikum
Just email GF Haddad
and ask him what he now thinks of deobandis, after their fatwaas which he has refuted. There is no unity between us and wahabis kharijis.
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as salam 'alaykom wa rehmatuAllahi wa barakatuHu
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:24:28 |
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This a Q/A from Shaykh Haddadd's Living Islam website:
Q. Also sir, i wish to ask you about Mufti Ebrahim Desai of South Africa, is he within the Ahlus Sunnah?
Yes he is, insha Allah. I have asked him to take back or explain his fatwa that Barelwis are outside the fold of Ahl al-Sunna and await his answer. The Barelwis are part of Ahl al-Sunna generally speaking, just as the Deobandis are part of Ahl al-Sunna generally speaking. As for individuals, then each case is examined on its own merits.
Again, If he disagreed with this he would remove this from his website woldn't he?
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:29:03 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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i am telling yu once again, to stop this fitnah of yours here. I told yu he answered all these questions before he knew who deobandis were.
EMAIL him and ask him if yu do not believe me.
ask him also what he means by ahlusunnah here in this context. Deobandis are wahabis who claim to be Hanafi.
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:31:37 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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The cyber Mufti called Desai calls 80% of Muslims in the sub continent as bid'atis and not sunnis?
Sadaqat Khan why dont yu see that?
Why dont u ask Desai if he has taken his fatwaa of kufr on all sunnis (barelwis 80% of sunnis in pakistan and india) back?
It is safe to say that the deobandi community is the one on bid'aa and dhalala but we WONT DO TAKFEER OF THEM, for they are still muslims
they can call us non muslims
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:35:09 |
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I will ask him inshallah and find out more, but up till now I see absolutely no evidence for what your saying. I ask others to also search for the truth.
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:38:00 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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the evidence is there, but yu are blind to see it. what evidence did i state? tell me'
Did I give any evidence in the first place?
Please dont come here to start the same old arguments. We are talking of unity among sunnis are yu blind yu cannot see that?
We are NOT TALKING OF UNITY WITH DEOBANDIS, there is no UNITY WITH WAHABIS.
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:42:56 |
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I meant that up till now after looking at Gibril haddad's articles on deobandis I see no evidence to back up what you say. I will, however, do some more research and I ask others to do the same.
Relax buddy. I'm not trying to insult you in any way.
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:47:40 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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I just told yu GF Haddad has written articles against them
If yu have not come accross them then why do come here and speak on something yu didnt know about in the beginning
Imam Zahid al Kawthari and Sheikh Alawi al Maliki also called deobandis sunnis, so do yu want us to remove them from ahlusunnah?
Imam Buti has called deobandis sunnis
Imam Abu Ghudda rahimullah called the deobandi scholar Anwar Shah Kashmiri a great Jihadi and a Muhaddith, now do yu want us to refute him?
SO if GF HADDAD says Deobandis are sunnis WHY do yu say if we then want to refute him?
Why does such a thing even come to you mind.
If this is not fitnah what is it?
ibn Taymiyyah is a Muhaddith and a sufi.
He wrote 6 books on tasawwuf
But then he changed into a person who says "YA RASULULLAH IS SHIRK"
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| Posted 25.01.2004 21:50:21 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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in terms of islamic sciences of knowledge our teachers can be from deoband.
Ibn Kathir is our Sunni Imam but his teacher is Ibn Taymiyyah a person rejected out of ahlusunnah by the majority.
Ibn al Qayyim his other student has also been rejected
So Imam ABu Ghudda praised Anwar Shah Kashmiri as a Muhaddith only.
And the issue of sunni/deobandi is alien to 99% of scholars outside the sub continent
so be ware
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as salam 'alaykom wa rehmatuAllahi wa barakatuHu
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| Posted 25.01.2004 22:07:02 |
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Waxing Gibbous
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By the above mentioned sciences i obviously mean Hadith, Sarf, Nahw, Balagha, tajweed, Qir'at, Tafseer and other literal ones like them but obviously not tasawwuf, nor 'aqeeda, nor kalaam, nor fiqh to a large extent
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