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Posted 15.01.2004 07:17:13

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salam 'alaikum brother Jilani

He is a deobandi, i mean Ibn Adham al Kawthari who answered that question.

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as salam 'alaykom wa rehmatuAllahi wa barakatuHu

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Posted 18.01.2004 05:45:49

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salam 'alaikum

This site also confuses one about the issue on the construction of quboor in the Hanafi Madhab. So my brothers and sisters beware of this site. (an issue which deobandis like very much)

jazakallah khairan

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as salam 'alaykom wa rehmatuAllahi wa barakatuHu

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Posted 19.01.2004 11:14:30

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Salaams
Can you explain what you mean by "quboor"? Are you referring to Qibr, meaning pride?
Wa'salaams
KM

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Posted 19.01.2004 16:03:54

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salam 'alaikum

I meant graves in arabic.

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Posted 19.01.2004 16:57:09

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ah, yes. I understand. Indeed they appear to be minimising/trivialising everything!

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Posted 19.01.2004 17:33:23

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assalamu alaykum.

I think it is a fairly good site but one should always get what they say double-checked (except for Shaykh GF Haddad's replies as he is a hardcore Sunni!). To be fair I think they are trying to be balanced and moderate. They seem to be moderate Deobandis and certainly not gustaakh. I know Faraz Rabbani and he himself is a student of Shaykh Nuh who is hardcore Sunni. The list of scholars given who believed Huzoor Paak sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam did not possess a shadow is amazing as most of them are amongst the greatest scholars. Yes the hadith indicating otherwise should have had Sunni scholars' interpretations too attached. I think all the scholar was trying to say was it is not an issue on which one becomes a kafir or Muslim if one has a different opinion. I obviously believe Huzoor Paak alayhisalatu wa salam did NOT have a shadow.

taareekh agar dhoonday gii saanii e Muhammad
Saanii tau baRi cheez hai saaya na milay ga!

(sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam)

Dar tha ke 'isyaaN kii sazaa ab hogi ke roz i jazaa

Dee Unkii rahmat ne sadaa 'yeh bhi nahin voh bhi nahin!'

--Ala Hazrat

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Posted 19.01.2004 18:23:54

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Salaams Brother
I wholeheartedly agree with you, especially with regards to Sidi Faraz and the learned Shaykh Nuh. However, the difficulty lies in knowing what to check and what not to check. The aqeedah of the likes of you and me may not be deterred from some aberrant answers but new muslims or learning youths may be left confused or misled.
Wa'salaams
KM

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Posted 20.01.2004 19:35:02

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as salam 'alaikum brother 'Abdul Mustafa

sunnipath. com is a Barelwi site, I have confiremed this. but, to scholars outside of India and Pakistan, the deobandi and barelwi problem is very new and very irrelevant, they dont seem to undertand the difference in the 'aqaid between the two, as past history is a witness to this. i mean Hadrat 'Ala Hadrat radiallahu 'anh got signatures from the noble 'ulama of Makka and Madeena al Munawarrah against the four deo masters, and similarly they also got signatures for their 'aqeedas in their books Al Muhannad from many of the same 'ulama in Mecca and Medina, please confirm this, I am not sure about this, I will appreciate this wholeheartedly.

So becuase of this lack of understanding the issue and looking at it with an eye of irrelevance Sidi Faraz Rabbani (a sunni himself, not at all deobandi in any sense) took in deobandi scholars from the UK and South Afrcia and North America as a means to unite all the differences and bring them into the fold to which I disagree. I think he is biased, because he has no barelwi scholars from india and Pakistan the same area from which all the deobandis scholars on the sight come from.

I mean we all know Sheikh Gibril Fouad Haddad is hard core sunni (barelwi) but he is not the from the deobandi heartland.

I mean for the sunnis who visit this site, all they will see are deobandi scholars from Deoband and Raiwind and Nadwatul Ulama but they will not see any barelwi scholars of theirs and I am sure there are many in the UK and North America.

GF HADDAD is alien to 90% of barelwi sunnis from the sub continent. Sidi Faraz Rabbani is biased, he invited deobandi scholars but not the barelwi ones. So our right to protest is ligetimate. I am not sure yu might agree, if not please dont correct me here.

However, if Sidi Faraz puts on his site fatwaas and posts fro barelwi scholars then I think he has achieved the aim he started for.

One other thing, I did not complete the somewhat happy news.
One of the deobandi scholars on the site Ibn Adam al Kawthari has deviated from the deobandis to a large extent, as he agreed to the permissibility of Mawlid Shareef and the Kissing of the thumbs and Habibullah having no shadow and Habibullah being Noor u Allah himself and on the issue of the ijtimaa' du'a at the end of the salah and on loud group zikar. He has sided if not a 100% but immensely towards the barelwi positions on these issues and so has gone against debandi scholars, and this was confirmed to me by a deobandi scholar.

I think Sidi Faraz Rabbani is opening the eyes of these deobandi scholars and it is working.

jazakallah khairan

Ya Abu Bakar...Ya 'Umar.....Ya 'Uthman....Ya 'Ali

as salam 'alaykom wa rehmatuAllahi wa barakatuHu

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naqshbandijamaati

Posted 22.01.2004 01:26:06

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assalamu alaykum.

brother Ali, chitore?

anyway i agree with what you said. Faraz Rabbani has even gone onto the Ala Hazrat forum and other forums to specifically request the contact details of sunni (barelwi) ulama who can answer questions/give fatwas in ENGLISH via the web/email. I think the problem is with us Sunnis in that we actually don't have very many (any?) Barelvi scholars who are both fully learned AND can communicate fluently in written English AND who have access to the internet. So let's not blame the deobandits. Our ulama are too busy fighting amongst themselves and harping on about the same old themes (to the same small groups of partisans) and thus have totally neglected producing scholars who know english well enough to answer questions. The deobandits being sly have concentrated on producing scholars and are beginning to win over not only the minds of the youth in this country (UK) but even the minds of the arab Sunni scholars.

I am a staunch Sunni and love the Sunni ulama for their aqidah but i have been around them enough now to get an insiders view and am largely disappointed to date. The criticisms of Imam Ghazzali rahmatullah about the worldly scholars of his time apply amply to our scholars. If we are to improve our condition we should be honest about our failings and not blame the deobandits when they do what we ought to have done.# decades ago since we are the massive majority.

wa salam
man ba qorbanat shavam,

asif

Dar tha ke 'isyaaN kii sazaa ab hogi ke roz i jazaa

Dee Unkii rahmat ne sadaa 'yeh bhi nahin voh bhi nahin!'

--Ala Hazrat

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