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RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

imamuna — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:58:04 GMT

[quote][b]shakirkhan (31.01.2009)[/b][hr]Dear brother Faraz,

Thanks for your suggestion, but ALHAMDULILLAH I am already a brown belt in martial arts in GOZURIYU style. I have practised karate for 6 years but now I find that yoga is better.

Anyway, you better come to the main point and I again say, dont post without proper knowledge and thinking.

May ALLAH give guidance to all of us to remain on the straight path and behave properly and maturedly,

Aamin, Summa Aamin[/quote]

Brother i thought a belt was only good for holding up ones trousers and it not a true indicator of ones fighting ability. At least thats what my master told me so does it matter if the belt is black, blue,pink, white or whatever.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Mohammad_Ali — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:40:27 GMT

[quote][b]Imran. (31.01.2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]shakirkhan (31.01.2009)[/b][hr] I am already a brown belt in martial arts in GOZURIYU style. I have practised karate for 6 years but now I find that yoga is better. [/quote]
.....??
Surely, you cant use yoga as a fighting form?
That would be both hilarious and inneffective.
I assume you mean by way of concentration and training of mind?
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Oh yeah you could - concentrate hard enough and if your kanji and yin yang is right you might succeed in giving your opponent a splitting headache, or cause him to hallucinate pink bunny rabbits with duracel batteries pummeling him to the ground, or even cause his belt to tighten rendering him incapacitated to breathe, or if you're really good you might even cause a Ha Do Ken style fireball to emerge from your forehead formed out of sheer telekinetic powers to deliver a thunderous smash to your opponents rib cage knocking him senseless .... or by the time you get to your yin yang the lights go out and you wake up with a broken jaw in an ambulance after recieving a roundhouse kick form your opponent who got tired of your yin and yanging for about 5 minutes :)

But jokes aside - its a nice exercise to relieve stress and forget about ones troubles for a while. Just don't take the yin yang ranting above as serious advice if you plan on going for some tournaments ;)

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

shakirkhan — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:25:22 GMT

Dear brothers

Please make dua for me that ALLAH makes me a Zariah by giving appropriate resources and time so that I can work on this idea of ISLAMICYOGA, INSHAÀLLAH.

brother Mobasher,

I would be glad to know more about Muraqbah. Frankly speaking, I do not know about it.

If any way it can helpful, comparing than it would be very good.

Brother MohammedSabir,

Thanks for your motivating reply.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Mohammad Mobasher — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:31:03 GMT

Brother Shakir, have you ever practised Muraqbah, spiritual contemplation practiced by the people of Tasawwuf?

I would like you to compare the two if you can for us InshaAllah.

JazakAllahu Khayran

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Imran. — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:23:23 GMT

[quote][b]shakirkhan (31.01.2009)[/b][hr] Martial arts is again a type of exercise which has been adopted especially by buddhists as it was developed by buddhist monks who wanted to meditate in jungles(forests) and they used these types of martial arts for their self defence as well[/quote]
Not all martial arts were developed by buddhist monks,the shaolin kung fu forms yes,but not all ,as there are many fighting systems from other parts of the world.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Imran. — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:10:56 GMT

[quote][b]shakirkhan (31.01.2009)[/b][hr] I am already a brown belt in martial arts in GOZURIYU style. I have practised karate for 6 years but now I find that yoga is better. [/quote]
.....??
Surely, you cant use yoga as a fighting form?
That would be both hilarious and inneffective.
I assume you mean by way of concentration and training of mind?
Btw,whats 'Gozuryu' ?

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

mohammedsabir — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:31:13 GMT

[quote][b]shakirkhan (31.01.2009)[/b][hr]Furthermore, for dear FARAZ,

Martial arts is again a type of exercise which has been adopted especially by buddhists as it was developed by buddhist monks who wanted to meditate in jungles(forests) and they used these types of martial arts for their self defence as well as meditation.

Martial arts was actually invented in India but later developed in China and Japan.

Regarding YOGA, if you people are aware than you might be knowing that not some stupid people have invented ROCK YOGA(wherein they play ROCK music with YOGA), and also NAKED YOGA(ASTAGFIRULLAH).

"Now if idiots can develop such stupid things than shouldn't we develop an ISLAMIC YOGA"

May be INSHAALLAH one day I will develop it.

Aamin.[/quote]

How True, May Allah Taa'ala give you all the strenght & will to do so,

we lack people who think with a Clear Head, sadly but true, we make a mess of everything rather then working to get the Best for ourselves

even i heard that One Yoga Teacher, Ramdev Baba, when he got the news of Malaysia banning Yoga for being Un Islamic said that one can practise Yoga for Health, & instead of chanting Hindu Mantras can say Islamic thing,

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

shakirkhan — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:27:42 GMT

Furthermore, for dear FARAZ,

Martial arts was actually invented in India but later developed in China and Japan.

Regarding YOGA, if you people are aware than you might be knowing that not some stupid people have invented ROCK YOGA(wherein they play ROCK music with YOGA), and also NAKED YOGA(ASTAGFIRULLAH).

Now if idiots can develop such stupid things than shouldn't we develop an ISLAMIC YOGA.

May be INSHAALLAH one day I will develop it.

Aamin.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

shakirkhan — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:17:33 GMT

Dear brother Faraz,

Thanks for your suggestion, but ALHAMDULILLAH I am already a brown belt in martial arts in GOZURIYU style. I have practised karate for 6 years but now I find that yoga is better.

Anyway, you better come to the main point and I again say, dont post without proper knowledge and thinking.

May ALLAH give guidance to all of us to remain on the straight path and behave properly and maturedly,

Aamin, Summa Aamin

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Faraz Hassan — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:13:11 GMT

yoga is for women, or those over the age of 95.

It is better for you to partake in true martial arts styles such as those developed by mas Oyama etc.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Imran. — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:12:47 GMT

[quote][b]Mujaahid (30.01.2009)[/b][hr]Brother Imran, for all we know this so called "spokesperson" could be Tom from down the street or Sikhandar sahib from the local Gurdwara.[/quote]

Yeah he could be,but he's not, as adil siddique seems to be quite a notable spokemans for that seminary (occupying position of media in charge) these days.

Check it out from anyone associated with that seminary.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Mujaahid — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:45:40 GMT

Brother Imran, for all we know this so called "spokesperson" could be Tom from down the street or Sikhandar sahib from the local Gurdwara. Like i stated in my previous post, i do not take things at face value, more so now, since the media is portrayed as it is.

The brother posted something, all I'm asking is for some more evidence regarding what is being said. He was the one who posted it, so i believe I have the right to ask him for it. If not, i urge you not to post such articles without SUFFICIENT evidence. Blindly posting articles isn't exactly going to benefit anyone.

PS: I noticed the topic title has been changed as well as some of the original post...

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

shakirkhan — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:34:25 GMT

Salam dear brothers,

I myself am a sunni by akida. But only sunniyat does not make every sunni always correct.

We need to have an open mind and knowledge before judging about anything.

I have knowledge about yoga. I am doing it since last 25 years.

Infact, if we care a bit more about our namaz, than we can attract these people who are running after YOGA crazily,(I mean the western people and also the hindus) towards islam.

Just take a good example (It may help you brothers and sisters too, sometime in future if you come across some person in conversation about this topic)

One of the best yogas is ASTHANGASANA. There are others too like Shirshasana, vruschikasana etc.

ASTH-ANG-ASANA --> Asth = eight(8), ANG = body and ASANA = body position(exercise)

ASTHANGASANA means a body position in which 8 parts of body are used to do an exercise.

Now consider SAJDA(SUJUD). In it, ALHAMDULILLAH, we touch our eight body parts on ground

(1)forehead, (2)nose, (3)two palms, (4)two knees, (5)two feet, --> so total becomes 8 body parts. So do we become a kafir? Our SAJADAH is their Asthangasana.

Now just imgine, if ASTHANGASANA is one of the best asanas, than we are performing this asana almost 100 times in a day. HOW?

We pray 5 farz namaz in a day and total RAKATS of all 5 namaz including farz, sunnat, vittar and nawafils is 48 rakat.

Now in each rakat we make two SAJADAH, so two Asthangasana, so total 48 x 2 = 96 (almost 100)

Now if we explain this to hindus and other westerners who are very interested in yoga than dont you think they will be attracted towards ISLAM ? InshaALLAH they will be.

YOGA is only an exercise but it has been intentionally and professionally adopted by hindus while religiously and unintentionally adopted by muslims. I dont care which yoga helps more or which helps less. What I am interested in is that what our beloved prophet Mohammed (SAWS) has told us to do, pray five times in a specific manner, thats it.

Hindus have added mantras and shlokas of their religion into it and thats how they are even propagating their religion. Once I attended a course in yoga. The teacher was a sikh and mostly the pupils were hindus and only I was muslim. That guru told to sit in a position of yoga and chant mantras and shlokas to all. BUT AS HE KNEW I AM A MUSLIM, HE PERSONALLY TOLD ME TO CHANT WHATEVER I CAN OF MY RELIGION THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. According to the big gurus of yoga, chanting a perticular mantra or shloka is not important and similarly praying to a particular god or goddess is also not important. What is important according to these yoga gurus is to acquire a good perfect body position and to chant something in which we have interest and faith, so that it can help us have concentration and self confidence.

THAN IMAGINE WHERE THE WHOLE LOT WAS CHANTING LOUDLY THEIRE HINDU MANTRAS, I WAS ALONE CHANTING *LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMADURRASULALLAH* and *ALLAHU AKBAR* AND OFCOURSE LOUDLY JUST LIKE THEM.

and I really enjoyed it. ALHAMDULILLAH.

Why shouhldn't we accpet yoga and infact mould it in our islamic format and have islamic yoga ?

Where in we can make people do RUKU' and SUJUD and TASAHHUD etc. and make them chant our holy kalimas.

Please let me know if my thinking is wrong . and better you people be polite and open minded to answer.

I dont need any direct fatawas on me.

May ALLAH guide us all on to the right path.

Aamin.

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Imran. — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:19:45 GMT

[quote][b]Mujaahid (29.01.2009)[/b][hr]Who are the “Top Deobandiis” you speak of? All I’ve read is a message from a “Spokesperson”

[/quote]

what is the meaning of "spokesperson"?

Who is he a spokesperson for ?

Surely not himself?

PS Isnt the imitation of the pratices of another religion also forbidden?

RE: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

Mujaahid — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:10:01 GMT

Who are the “Top Deobandiis” you speak of? All I’ve read is a message from a “Spokesperson”

I’m sorry I don’t take things at face value, so if you please, quote me some well-known Deobandi scholars who have approved this. Also keep in mind, I am not saying you are wrong, I’d just like more proof.

Ohh yeah, and lets not turn this topic into Deobandi bashing session, I think we have enough of people yelling “KUFR! SHIRK! BIDAH!” already.

Wasalaam

Performing yoga is not un-Islamic?

dubaiguy — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:58:34 GMT

Salam-u-alaikum,

'Namaz' itself form of yoga, says Deoband cleric

29 Jan 2009, 0159 hrs IST, PTI

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NEW DELHI: Performing yoga is not un-Islamic as offering 'namaz' is also a form of the practice, leading seminary Darul Uloom on Wednesday said

rubbishing the controversy over the issue.

"Yoga is not a problem in Islam, but giving a religious colour to it is wrong," said Adil Siddiqui, spokesperson of Darul Uloom Deoband, India's leading Islamic seminary.

He said the purpose of the practice is to keep a person healthy and there is no provision in the religion that prevents anybody from seeking good health, he said.

"The purpose of yoga is simple that is to maintain good health and it can always be performed for the sake of exercise," he said.

The cleric said Islam also gives health a major priority and the practise of offering 'namaz' or Islamic prayer is itself a form of exercise.

"If you observe closely 'namaz', which every Muslim is expected to perform five times a day, is itself a sort of yoga and plays an important role in keeping a person healthy," he said.

The debate over whether Muslims can perform yoga, started last year after Malaysia's top Islamic body, the National Fatwa Council, imposed a ban on it, saying that it combines elements of physical exercise and chanting of religious mantras.

Earlier this week, Indonesia's top Islamic body also passed an edict banning Muslims from practicing yoga citing concerns it would corrupt their faith.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Namaz_form_of_yoga_Deoband_cleric/articleshow/4042932.cms

It is time now to spread this message of deobandies to as far as possible to every deobandies including the famous tablighis who have sworn to rid Islam of all biddati and mushrik practices and restore the Sunnah.

Namaaz is a type of a yoga

Slap on the face of such guardians of the Sunnah.